Episode 12: How Family Dynamics Can Be Positively Impacted With the Proper Tools and Mindset.

When Jennifer first reached out to us, she was at her wit's end, overwhelmed by the demands of caring for her injured 85-year-old mother. Her story is one many of us can relate to—feeling trapped in a cycle of resentment, guilt, and anger. In this heartfelt episode, we unpack Jennifer's emotional turmoil, identifying the saboteurs like the Judge, Victim, Pleaser, and Stickler that amplify her struggles. We introduce the SAGE principles of Positive Intelligence, starting with the power of exploration, to help Jennifer navigate her challenging circumstances and uncover new perspectives.

Jennifer's well-being and relationships are strained by exhaustion and lack of support, a common scenario for many caregivers. Together, we dissect the complex family dynamics at play, distinguishing between the facts and the stories we tell ourselves. We ponder whether Jennifer's mother's difficult behavior might be fueled by fear rather than ingratitude. Through self-empathy and reconnecting with her childhood self, Jennifer begins to foster compassion for herself and her mother. We also delve into the crucial steps of seeking support and taking action to address these emotional challenges effectively.

Empathy and creative problem-solving take center stage as we guide Jennifer in visualizing her loved ones as their pure, childlike selves, offering fresh perspectives on her mother's and husband's struggles. The "Navigate" tool provides wisdom from Jennifer's elder self, while the "Innovate" tool sparks creative solutions through focusing on the positive aspects of each idea. Practical strategies like kind communication and breaking tasks into manageable steps are explored to help Jennifer transform her hostile environment into a supportive and loving one. Join us in this episode for practical, compassionate guidance that resonates with anyone facing similar family challenges.

Highlight Timestamps
(04:55 - 06:17) The Essence of Deep Curiosity
(10:39 - 12:05) Recognizing and Overcoming Saboteurs
(14:34 - 15:49) Utilizing Empathy for Personal Growth
(19:42 - 21:59) Improving Relationship Through Kindness and Graciousness
(28:59 - 30:04) Action Steps and Accountability in Innovation

Chapter Summaries
(00:00) Navigating Family Challenges With Positive Intelligence
Jennifer's struggles with caring for her elderly mother and the role of saboteurs in her emotions, using SAGE principles to explore and find gifts.

(06:27) Exploring Perspectives and Finding Empathy
Jennifer's challenges caring for her aging mother, including exhaustion, resentment, and guilt, and the importance of self-empathy and seeking support.

(13:03) Enhancing Empathy and Generating Ideas"
Compassion and empathy are important in challenging situations, using visualization, seeking advice, and creative problem-solving.

(20:42) Generating Ideas and Taking Action
Nature's transformative power through kindness, gratitude, and small steps for change, using examples like fitness and organization.

Transcript

00:00 - Judy Gelniak (Host)
Hi, I'm Judy and I'm Jodi. Welcome to episode 12. Before we dive in, I just thought maybe we would go through and recap what we did in our last episode. We started our three-part series on applying the SAGE principles of positive intelligence to real-life situations and, as a reminder, the purpose of the SAGE is to ultimately find the gift in all situations. 

00:26
In our first episode, we addressed a situation which was sent in from a listener, Miranda, who was unexpectedly laid off and she was lacking the motivation to find a new job. This was a really good situation to apply PQ principles to, and it is a very common challenge that many people face, especially right now, I think. So thank you again, miranda, for opening up your challenge for us to work through. We hope it was helpful. But today we have a new life challenge from listener Jennifer, which is more of a personal situation, and this may resonate with you if you have aging parents. So, again, we'll be illustrating some quick tips from this each stage tool that we'll walk through to try to help Jennifer with her challenge, and so I think you're going to guide us through what her message is, jodi. 

01:19 - Jodi Hallerman (Co-host)
Okay, yes, so we have this challenge that was submitted by one of our listeners. Thank you, jennifer, for writing in and sharing this experience. She is going through a very challenging family situation, so we hope our illustration of the application of the PQ concepts will inspire you and help you take some actionable steps. So this is the message that we received from Jennifer. 

01:41
My question is about how to survive my 85-year-old mother. She still lives on her own, but about four months ago she was injured and needed 24-7 care. I'm the only family member in town, so I moved her to my house and set her up in a hospital bed in my dining room, right in the middle of my house, to care for her. For the first two months she was immobile and I literally had to do everything for her. Now she's more mobile, but she doesn't listen to me, so I have to watch her every move. 

02:09
She's not a very positive human being and can sometimes just be mean and try to make me feel guilty or bad about everything. I haven't gotten a break from her and we've been driven to screaming matches, which is out of character for me. I feel such resentment towards her and feel like I'm near a breakdown. This has also caused a real strain on my marriage and I feel like I can't do anything right and she doesn't appreciate what I'm sacrificing for her. On top of that, I just feel bad that I'm feeling so angry. She should be moving on to an assisted living center in a couple weeks, but until then, I'd like to do my best to salvage our relationship and forgive her and myself. How can positive intelligence help with my situation? Wow, wow. 

02:54 - Judy Gelniak (Host)
Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. This is. There's a lot here. You know I can. I can really hear in in her words, in her message, that she's struggling. So this is another great situation to work through with positive intelligence. Some of the statements that she made that I picked up on Jodi were that she's resentful, she feels like her mother doesn't appreciate her sacrifice and that these feelings that she's having are out of character for her. She said you know, I can't do anything right, I feel bad, that I feel angry, so she's judging herself for feeling bad Right and she's also judging her mother. 

03:38
You know that's a lot of times where the resentment can come in, yeah, and she might have a little bit of victim saboteur energy in there too. How could you not? I would say. 

03:49 - Jodi Hallerman (Co-host)
I was going to say no problem there, I understand that part. 

03:52 - Judy Gelniak (Host)
Yeah, yeah, maybe sacrifice and pleaser Saboteurs are stepping up a lot in this challenge for Jennifer trying to do everything just right. That could be stickler. You know that perfectionism. So there might be a lot of different things going on here, a lot of different saboteurs at play, because this is a very challenging situation family situation, right. 

04:15
So, of course, the first few steps that we do when we're experiencing any negative emotion you know that's a result of saboteur thoughts we're going to do the PQ reps. And then, when we're in a more objective state, that's when we're going to shift into sage and look for ways to to benefit from this situation or to find the gifts in the situation, or to take action that's going to improve things for ourselves and others. 

04:42 - Jodi Hallerman (Co-host)
Right. So we're going to start with the sage tools, and there are five of these and we've talked about them, we've referred to them as sage powers, and the very first one is explore. And to set up explore. It's really. I think the essence of explore is that deep curiosity and fascination and we've compared it, I think, before to a kid walking on a beach and turning over every rock just to see what's underneath. So it's a really it's about getting a deep understanding and really expanding your view of what's happening in a situation. So we've talked about, we shared a fable, I think, last week, and it was about an elephant and blind people touching different parts of the elephant, and it just demonstrates how we all have such a different perspective depending on where we're coming from, depending on how we're looking at a situation. 

05:31
So the reality is that every person is just getting a small aspect of the truth right. So if we're in touch with just that partial truth, we're not getting a full perspective, and everything we think and do is going to be based on just our small part of the truth. So when you're in explore mode, you're deeply curious to see what's really going on, and it's trying to see all those different perspectives, knowing that we're still never going to see the full elephant or the full perspective, but there's just always going to be more for us to discover. 

06:06 - Judy Gelniak (Host)
With going into explore, with that understanding that all we have right now is our perspective. So how can we, how can we try another perspectives, perhaps to get a fuller picture of what might be going on? So there are three explore methods. The first one is to explore what's happening with yourself and some questions that that may help you do that. 

06:27
You know what's at the heart of what's happening for me right now, jennifer. What am I wanting right now? What might be holding me back and what emotions are coming up? You've already identified a lot of them. What might I be making up about this situation? What do I not know that I'm just making up stories about? We do that a lot as humans what is fact and what is saboteur? So some of the possibilities. 

06:54
We don't know exactly, of course, so we're just speculating what some of the possibilities might be for Jennifer or someone in her situation. One response might be that I'm really feeling like I'm the only one responsible for my mom and it's taking a real toll on me. I'm physically exhausted, maybe emotionally drained and resentful, and I just want my life back. Those might be some things that are coming up and then, if we think a little bit more deeply. Perhaps we might realize that these feelings, which are completely justified, might be stemming from the fact that Jennifer isn't feeling the support from her friends and family. 

07:36
Maybe that's the truth here. She might feel like she's missing out on other things that are going on in life. You know she's a social person, especially right. Maybe the fact is that her mother, aging, is hitting her, you know, and the reality that she won't be around forever is adding to her feelings of guilt in this situation. So, again, we're looking at in this first method of explore, we're just looking at what's happening with ourselves in a more deep way. This is after we've done PQ reps and we're in an objective state. So we're not being triggered by those saboteurs, but we're able to unpack them and look at them objectively. 

08:15 - Jodi Hallerman (Co-host)
Right, and the next thing we explore is what's happening with others. So this is asking yourself how are you feeling about the other people in this situation? Who is most important in this situation besides you, and what do you assume is true for them? So, example Jennifer mentioned marriage, her marriage. So there's a spouse involved here. Obviously her mother is involved. So how much pressure might be coming from the husband or from her mother? How much support is he providing? Or are other friends, other people around providing? And is her mother really feeling ungrateful? Could it possibly be that she's just fearful? She's afraid, you know, and thinking about what really, other than the fact that maybe she's hurting and just doesn't feel good? She's also just fearful of losing her independence, of the shortness of life. I mean. 

09:12
there's so many other things that could be going on right now with her. So the truth might not be that she's angry and she is ungrateful. She might just be fearful. 

09:23 - Judy Gelniak (Host)
So that's what we're she might be fearful, she might be frustrated about losing her independence Not frustrated at her daughter, jennifer, but frustrated her situation herself, right. 

09:33 - Jodi Hallerman (Co-host)
Exactly. Then we explore the circumstances. So what circumstances might be influencing you or others? What do you wish you could change about the circumstance? Sounds like just about everything here. What else is important to note about the circumstances? So questioning yourself or questioning just in the circumstances four months, that's a long time, but is it really that long to put your life on hold for your mom? Maybe it is, maybe it's not, but questioning those kinds of things, is there something that you could ask others for that would maybe help you? Is it okay to feel a little resentment? Give yourself that okay, in this situation, this is totally normal and it's okay for me to do that. Is there really anything that you can do about your mom's attitude, or can you just control your own? So just trying on those different perspectives will help you kind of again explore the circumstances here and what's really we're trying again to get at. What is at the truth. 

10:34 - Judy Gelniak (Host)
Right, trying to see more of that bigger picture, right, exactly. So really pay attention to your saboteurs that may be coming up in your responses and use that objective curiosity with this tool to look for what is known. You'll know that you're back in saboteur mode if you feel those negative emotions. That's always the trigger for us. If this happens, you just go back and identify those saboteurs and then do a few PQ reps and get back on track. And so at the end of the day, with this tool, you want to ask yourself what are you aware of now as a result of your exploration. 

11:13
This one can be hard and this you know depending on the severity of the challenge. And it's okay to end with this tool holding the possibility that saboteur messages are interfering with the sage. It's also okay to take any action that comes to mind as a result of your exploration of these perspectives. In Jennifer's case, it might be. Maybe I want to talk to my family or my husband about getting more support, as an example. And then that brings us to our next tool, which is empathize. 

11:46 - Jodi Hallerman (Co-host)
Right and empathize is a really interesting one and it's a fairly easy one to use. I think it's it really is what helps us, because we know these saboteurs really distort our perspectives, they wear us down. So a quick way to try to restore that clarity and kind of charge yourself back up is through the empathize. So walking through the visualization that we have done multiple times now with the childhood picture. When we're talking about empathize, we're talking about reconnecting with who you were as a child that perfect, wholesome, happy being that you were as a kid. So when we talked about doing that visualization, it's using that picture, looking yourself and trying to reconnect with that person and thinking about what is the most loving and compassionate thing you could say to yourself in this particular situation. 

12:36
How could you offer empathy to yourself right now? Example might be that you just say you know what. It's totally okay to feel overwhelmed and resentful. This is a hard situation for all of us. When it's over, I'm going to take time to focus just on me for a while. I think I'll take some time to relax and do something special for myself. Just remind yourself that you're worth it and give yourself that empathy. Also, compassion for others is really important. So, for instance, jennifer mentioned this has been hard on her marriage, that her mother's not positive or grateful. So, walking through the visualization, using them as children and thinking about them when they were perfect, happy, kind individuals. 

13:25 - Judy Gelniak (Host)
Yeah, like from this perspective, like really being able to see her husband as a toddler right and seeing his true essence and showing compassion for him, can really help us get into the other person's shoes and access that empathy to open up new discoveries. 

13:44
Perhaps in this instance, you know, jennifer might find that, you know that she realizes that her husband might be going through challenges himself with this. You know, having his mother-in-law in the house can't be easy on him either. It also might be hard for him to see Jennifer so stressed out and underappreciated and perhaps with her mother, as we talked about, she can't like knowing that she is dependent on her daughter and maybe she's aware that she's in their space and isn't comfortable with that. And that might be putting her on edge and might be a frustration, and especially true if you're used to being self-sufficient, right, she may also be filled with like you talked about before, with fear about what the rest of her life will look like too. Right, she's nearing the end of her life. So these are all perspectives that can come out from using this tool of empathizing with others and showing them compassion. 

14:41 - Jodi Hallerman (Co-host)
And you know it's really true, your thoughts and your feelings change when we exercise empathy for ourself and for others and it kind of puts us in a better place to take action and it'll help us access there's, there's more tools to use and I think once you're able to empathize, it's easier to access these other tools to move forward. So, from this place, just ask yourself what tools to move forward. So, from this place, just ask yourself what actions you might want to take from this place of increased empathy, if any. 

15:09
You might be at a point now where you've come up with some things that you can do just out of the empathy for others and for yourself, and some ideas might be to remind yourself daily of just how fortunate you are to still have your mom you know, posting affirmations on the mirrors to keep you going, like you've got this, taking small breaks throughout the day to walk up the street and back just to get out and give yourself a little bits of breaks, and then again planning that getaway Once your mom's out of the house. Plan something for yourself. Those things are showing empathy towards you and kind of affirming that you're doing the right things and that you're a good person. Yeah. 

15:47 - Judy Gelniak (Host)
Self-compassion I like those ideas. 

15:49
Yeah, and that brings us to our next sage tool, which is called Navigate. Here, with Navigate, we're adding yet another perspective, and that is the perspective of our own wiser elder self. This helps us really get in touch with what's really important in the situation. So we have a visualization that we recorded. It's in the list of our podcast episodes so you can go and leverage that to walk through this tool. 

16:18
But, in short, the idea is that you're visiting with your wiser, elder self at the end of your life, when you are still of a healthy mind and body, and you are asking your wiser self what's really important about the challenge that you're experiencing. And so those are some questions that come up from this visualization. At the end of it is you know, what's really important here? What is becoming more clear to you about your situation with your mom on your reflections from the visualization, jennifer? So we I would really encourage you to go through and listen to that visualization and then see what comes. You would be amazed what can come out of that when you get really into it. 

16:57 - Jodi Hallerman (Co-host)
What I love about this exercise is I think it cuts through that more, the superficial stuff you know. It really helps you source the wisdom from within, and we all have it. We really do. I think sometimes we forget to ask ourselves and to think about that from a different perspective. As our older self, of course, your perspectives are going to vary, but one key learning here might just be that this challenge is the opportunity for growth. So this might be the time when we talked about the sage being, about finding the gift. This could be the time where that gift kind of pops out at you and you're able to really focus on what's true and what's happening here and how it can be good. So, with the new focus, what you want to do at this point is ask yourself what action do I want to take based on this new wisdom that I've gained and that moves us into the innovate power? 

17:52 - Judy Gelniak (Host)
Yeah. So with innovate, you know, while experiencing the energy of this tool, generate as many ideas to create solutions to your own issue. Some of these ideas may be practical and some may not be. So the idea with this tool is to aim for quantity, not quality, and then later on you will evaluate the ideas for practicality and take a next step. So the idea is to be really creative with this game. It's called what I Like About that Game, so ideally you play it with someone else, or a group of people sometimes can do this, or you can do it alone. 

18:34
And the point of this game, as I said before, is to be creative and generative, and we assume any idea has at least 10% value, no matter how outrageous or outlandish the idea is. We go in with the assumption that we're going to find at least 10% in there of what we like about the idea. So the way it works is that one person will throw out an idea, or, if you're by yourself, you throw out your idea and the other person says what I like about that idea is, and then they talk about what that idea sparked for them, what they liked about that idea, and they build onto it with their new idea and then the first person will say what I liked about that idea is, and then we'll add on to the idea offering another new idea. So it's really key in this step to completely let go of the judge voice and trust the first idea that comes, and the more high energy and faster pace you can be with, this keeps you in the moment and in this creative energy space. 

19:42 - Jodi Hallerman (Co-host)
Okay, Judy, why don't we provide an example on how this game works and we'll take this situation that Jennifer has sent us, remembering that her goal is to salvage the relationship with her mom and to hopefully forgive her and herself? So one might start with what if, instead of letting my mom's negative attitude affect me, I just start killing her with kindness? So whenever she says something mean to me, instead of raising my voice and shutting down, I will just be super kind back to her. I will just be super kind back to her Okay. 

20:22 - Judy Gelniak (Host)
So what I like about that is that she probably won't be expecting that kind of response, and it might make her realize how negative she's being perhaps. And what it makes me think of is that, along with you know she said killing her with kindness. Think of is that, along with you know she said killing her with kindness. What if I, just what, if you just start speaking to her in a softer and sweeter voice? All? 

20:50 - Jodi Hallerman (Co-host)
the time. Well, what I like about that is because it's been kind of a somewhat hostile environment. Sometimes when things are quieter, it kind of creates more of a soothing atmosphere, so maybe she would also be softer and quieter. 

21:09 - Judy Gelniak (Host)
And what? 

21:10 - Jodi Hallerman (Co-host)
it makes me think of is that by creating a more soothing environment, I can also start reflecting back to her the way I want to be treated. So start saying thank you and please and complimenting her more, especially when she's pleasant. 

21:26 - Judy Gelniak (Host)
Right, okay, so maybe one more. What I like about that is that this seems more in character for you. That is to be gracious and likable, and what it makes me think of is that, if you find that this isn't working, maybe take a few minutes and leave the room to regroup, do some PQ reps and then go back into the situation a bit more calm. 

21:57 - Jodi Hallerman (Co-host)
Good, and then that would just go on and on. So again, we don't know the complete situation here, so we're just guessing. But this is how it works you just start generating these ideas, and from those ideas you will hopefully come up with a good plan that you can activate, right. 

22:14 - Judy Gelniak (Host)
And so what happens if you get stuck? So this game works really well, but sometimes we have to have a little practice. So what happens if you get stuck and there's a lull and you don't have any other ideas? You can just think of some questions, use some questions to jumpstart some new ideas. So what some questions might be? If money and resources were unlimited, what would you do in this situation? Or if you had all the time in the world, what would you do with this challenge If you knew you couldn't fail? What would you do? Or maybe, if you were completely unafraid, because sometimes fear is a big factor, right? If you were completely unafraid, what would you do? Or just simply, what would bring ease right now to this situation? 

23:06 - Jodi Hallerman (Co-host)
Yeah, those are great. Those are great ways to just kind of stimulate that and jumpstart that idea generation. So the whole point of doing this game is to help again generate ideas, and that is going to take you into the activate mode the sage mode of activate. Going to take you into the activate mode, the sage mode of activate. And activate is about taking action and doing so in a calm, clear-headed, laser-focused way so that you experience kind of that ease and flow of life. So now that we've generated a lot of ideas, we're ready for this final activate step and no matter how challenging something is, we're going to break it down into small, easy steps to prepare. We start by narrowing down our ideas to select the best place to start with. So we take some operative questions to do this. One would be which one of these am I most excited about? 

24:00
of the ideas you've just generated which would make the most difference, which one would actually you actually like to take and put into action from here? And if more than one of those ideas stands out, just decide to start with one. We don't want to take on too much at once. It's always best to start with one. 

24:23 - Judy Gelniak (Host)
Yeah, sometimes I think just maybe even the easiest one, what's easiest? 

24:28
to do right now can be a good way to start too. So the idea is that we want to break that down, break the actions down into easy steps that don't require a lot of willpower. So think of any challenging action as a game of dominoes, right? So when the small, first small domino piece falls, it leads to the next and the next, and so on. So the most important step is the first step, right? So just get started. So just think of, like again, what is the easiest thing about this action I want to take that I can do, so that it doesn't, because if it's a big action it's going to feel a little bit overwhelming, naturally. So we just suggest starting with the easiest thing. So how can you break down your action into these small, easy steps? So one thing is to ask yourself what's the first, smallest action that would start the dominoes falling? That's what we've talked about before. There might be a series of actions you want to take. What's the first one that's going to start you off and trigger the others? 

25:29 - Jodi Hallerman (Co-host)
I think last week I used the example and it was probably a silly example, but of the person says I want to go to the gym, yeah, and then never does it. And it says I said, well, maybe you start with one thing it was putting on your gym shoes right. 

25:45
Yeah, one thing it was putting on your gym shoes right. And I thought of another one, and I've done this many times too, when I think, okay, I'm going to start a diet and then I get overwhelmed by like, oh, it's just, it's going to take forever, and I would stick a little sticky note on my desk that says it's just seven days, and my first step would just be to look at it as like it's just one week. 

26:09 - Judy Gelniak (Host)
I'm just going to change my habits for one week. It would make it so much easier and you could even break it down to a day, it's just one day. 

26:14
Well, yeah, what that makes me think of is sometimes if I've let things go in my house because I'm super busy a lot and I'm sitting on the sofa at night and I'm not happy with myself because, guess what, the house is wrecked and I'm looking around going and it just feels overwhelming to get up, you know, when I'm tired after a long day and start cleaning, but what I can do is like what's one small thing I can do tonight, right now, that isn't going to, you know, tax me out here that I'm going to be able to do easily, and then you know that'll motivate me for tomorrow morning to keep going Right, and so I think that might be an example of this as well. 

26:50 - Jodi Hallerman (Co-host)
Yeah. 

26:50 - Judy Gelniak (Host)
I think so, so. So what will prompt you to take that action? Sometimes doing a PQ rep, you know, if you're feeling like I feel tired and overwhelmed, I'm like, okay, pq reps what's one small thing I can do can can be helpful. You can also think of other ways to kind of, like you said, put things into your daily routine with post-it notes on the computer or message on the mirror or whatever works for you. 

27:14 - Jodi Hallerman (Co-host)
Right, and once you have come up with your first step, what it is you're going to take, you've got to prepare to activate. And again, you want to activate in that kind of ease and flow method. So, Jennifer, this, I guess my advice on this one is to think about ahead of time what saboteurs might get in your way to of taking that calm, clear headed, laser focused action. So when you've come up with a good idea and how to you know how to deal with this situation, think about what is going to stop me. Is it going to be that judge again, Is it going to be my victim? Is it going to be the pleaser? Because you want to, you want to anticipate those. 

27:55
So check in to see how confident you feel about being able to activate on this first step. And then I always say rate it on a scale of one to 10. How confident do you feel you're going to be able to take that step in a calm, clear headed, laser focused way? 10s being super confident and one being not confident at all. If you feel good about it, say a seven and above, you're going to move on and you're going to celebrate that's very important that even that first step, you're going to celebrate it. If you're not quite ready, then ask yourself what feels hard about this? Why am I not ready to do this? What saboteur voice in your head might be getting in the way? And then, what could a better, sage response be? 

28:40 - Judy Gelniak (Host)
Right, I love what you said about celebrate. I think it's also important to think in advance about that celebration too, right? So what's you know? Ask yourself, jennifer, like, how do you want to celebrate for 10 seconds? Like, how do you want to eat just a really small thing? How do you want to celebrate the action that you're going to take? And you can apply that to your other actions as well. 

29:01
So, wrapping up this discussion we're having about the Activate Sage tool, a couple of things to keep in mind when you determine the steps you're going to take in your action. For the idea that you generated, you can repeat those same steps, if you want, with the other ideas that you generate from the innovate cycle that you went through. So you can you know these steps are working for you. You can repeat them for additional ideas that you want to take action on. And then it might be also good you know we, as coaches, are big on accountability. So it might be good, jennifer, to think about how you want to hold yourself accountable or what might be helpful for you to help you stay accountable. Maybe a friend can be your accountability partner or coach or someone else. So be thinking about that as well, because when we take big steps like this, for a big challenge, accountability is super important. 

29:58 - Jodi Hallerman (Co-host)
It is. It's key. So I think that's about it in terms of the process. So thank you for joining us on this episode of In your Head. Hopefully you found this application of the PQ principles in this real life challenge helpful, and a big thank you again to Jennifer for writing and sharing her experience. This is a really tough challenge and I think all of us can feel for her and root her on. 

30:24
Hopefully that this has been helpful and there are some things here you can take and help your process in terms of forgiving yourself, forgiving your mom and salvaging your relationship. If you're interested in learning how you can apply these concepts to your challenges and what to share it, please send us an email at Jodyandjudy all one word at gmailcom, or you can send us a Facebook message on the In your Head with Jody and Judy podcast Facebook page. We're looking for some more. We've gotten a few, but we'd love to take some more challenges to work on for our third episode in this series. 

31:01 - Judy Gelniak (Host)
Right. And also, as we wrap up, we want to extend a special invitation to all our listeners. If today's episode resonated with you and you're eager to dive deeper into the world of positive intelligence, we have a really great opportunity for you. We are taking a dual coaching approach to the PQ program and offering it to you. It will be facilitated by both of us and is designed to transform your mindset and unlock your true potential. We offer personalized attention, tailored strategies We'll customize this to you and comprehensive support as you work towards your goal and learn how to apply and develop these concepts in a deeper way for better results in all areas of your life and work. 

31:50 - Jodi Hallerman (Co-host)
So people always ask what's involved in doing this program. It takes a little bit of time, but it's weekly interactive sessions that are pretty dynamic and again tailored to your individual needs. There are some daily exercises and reflections that reinforce your positive habits and strengthen your mental fitness. Those are provided on an app. There is also personalized feedback from both of us, ensuring that you're getting well-rounded insights and guidance, and there's a supportive community of like-minded individuals who are on the same journey, providing additional motivation and accountability every day. 

32:26 - Judy Gelniak (Host)
Yep, it's a really. It's really is a fantastic program. Everyone I have worked with through this program has had really good experiences and really good feedback I've received. So, to learn more and to reserve your spot, email us at Jodi and Judy at gmailcom, and we can't wait to support you on your journey through positive intelligence. 

32:44 - Jodi Hallerman (Co-host)
Until then, thank you again for listening, Stay positive, stay motivated and we'll see you in the next episode of In your Head with Jodi and Judy.